I can see both sides in the vehicle v bike debate, the way I approach it, the cyclist (us) are the one that are going to come of worst unless you hit a granny in a buggy
So we have to be prepared for the worst.
But I have been out on a couple of various club runs (never again) and the way they steam through lights, across junctions with very little consideration for others surprised me, but then again it is a race on public roads at the end of the day.
One thing that makes me cringe when I see cyclists doing it, is when they gesticulate to make cars overtake them, surely the drivers are just being cautious and waiting for the right opportunity to pass rather than screaming past
Kelly.....Body by Kona.............Soul by Satan !