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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:28 am 
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Would anyone have a proper picture of the style of down tube decal which is on this frame, which is nearly invisible? I found one in better shape on eBay but also only partial. The frame is K0113. H Lloyd sells one but it is a different style than I'm looking for. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:28 pm 
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Nice frame...

Can't help with a picture I'm afraid. Knight are still in business I think, although not making frames for a long time now. Someone there with a long memory may be able to help?

Typeface-wise, Constantia (capitals) seems a pretty close match but maybe 'no cigar'...Letters a bit too wide in proportion to height, maybe? Try typing it in 'Word' in a large font-size and see what you think.. Mess around with spacing, lose a bit of serif, and you'd be almost there..


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:45 pm 
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Thank you & thanks for the suggestions re: the font. I'll take a look. A gentleman from the Wolverhampton area I met through eBay suggested Baskerville. With enough help and a little determination, I'll get close.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:15 pm 
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I just had a look at Baskerville... I'm no typeface expert, but I'd say the 'G' is too round.. the vertical stroke seems to end at 5 o' clock, whereas in the 'G' in your picture it is more like 6 o' clock, if you see what I mean? Yes.. I don't doubt you can get a closer match than Constantia, too, with a bit of searching.. The meeting of the strokes in middle of the Constantia 'K' is not like in your picture, for sure..


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:36 am 
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Thanks for your input, Torqueless. I haven't got much response on this one. I don't think many Knight Cycles came out with this down tube decal. There is a different one which H Lloyd stocks which is more prevalent. You don't see many of these old Knight bikes, anyway.

I decided to try it myself with a font editing program I found to purchase. It took quite a long time because I began with zero knowledge. The result is based on the Baskerville Old and the "T" from Aster Regular fonts. I sent the results to the painter and he will use it to make a paint mask for the down tube. Here is the result.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:59 pm 
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You might see more 'Knights' than you think. They built for 'the trade' so a shop badged frame may well be a Knight in disguise.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:28 pm 
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You don't see many of these old Knight bikes, anyway.

Looks early-mid '70s so probably one of their early ones... certainly older than the ones shown at Classic Lightweights, IIRC. I can't make out any braze-ons in these pictures... does it have a chainstay stop or BB guides?

Your font-work looks convincing... You must have had to do some 'condensing' .. My one small caveat of constructive criticism is that the diagonal stroke of the 'N' could perhaps be a little wider in comparison to the uprights?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:42 am 
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Thanks again for the input. I may have mentioned it before but the frame is number K0113, for what it's worth; I would also guess it to be early 70's. There is a chainstay stop and also a brazed on tab underneath the down tube for positioning the shifters, I think. That's all for braze-ons. I'll take a look at that "N".


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