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 Post subject: ID Track Frame please
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:52 am 
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Hi, I bought my track bike bike complete for the princely sum of £20.00. Since then i have used the same bars and stem but changed the grouppo over to Miche Primato (C2004). The saddle is a 2005 Ltd swallow.

At time of purchase, the bike was equipped with Campag record Hubs; Rear being a Route Super Champion Competition, high flange (with 1969 National Track Championship scrutineers sticker), the front a Fiamme Red Label, low flange.

I do not have any idea of the BB beyond it being a Campagnolo version marked with Dims only. I guess ITA thread? The cranks are/were by Williams. The stem is a 1" quill with Cinelli alloy bars.

I am really keen to ID the frame though. I am about to restore it and would like to know who the frame builder was/is. It has a hole for a break boss at the rear (could have been drilled any time), but otherwise dimensionally is a track bike; 11" floor to BB etc.

Can anyone please help in ID'ing the frame or point me in the right direction from the photos below? There are no serial markings at all anywhere on the frame...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:16 am 
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£20.00!!!??? You jammy devil! Looks a cracker especially with the fittings you've listed. Can't say who the builder was, could be anyone unless there's a number anywhere but it looks a competant build.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:34 pm 
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Old Ned wrote:
£20.00!!!??? You jammy devil! Looks a cracker especially with the fittings you've listed. Can't say who the builder was, could be anyone unless there's a number anywhere but it looks a competant build.


It does have EO on the BB shell inside a diamond....


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:44 pm 
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Like this?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:45 pm 
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predki wrote:
Like this?
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Yes, exactly like that!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:50 pm 
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I have it on my Geoffrey Butler 1977/78, you can check it in my signature. I have it from original owner who had this bike built for him at Geoffrey Butler Croydon firstly for racing and after it was his training bike.
I was checking internet if there's any info about this <EO> but didn't have any results. Next time I'll be at GB I'll ask, maybe somebody will remember it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:54 pm 
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And what about serial number? Do you have it? I have veeery faint sign of number on bb, opposite the diamond. I didn't check steerer tube, but when I'll be changing headset I'll check it, maybe there's something more readable.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:07 pm 
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I cant find any serial #. My guess is its buried in paint. Thanks for the GB heads up, I shall email these photos and see if they recognise them.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:31 pm 
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Is it a track version of a Raleigh / Carlton ?

http://hilarystone.com/images/sale%20im ... on-Pro.jpg

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:37 pm 
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Hi Shaun, The main tube lugs are the same, the fork crown and bottom bracket shell are not. That said, it could easily be a Raleigh or Carlton. As said earlier, if the frame was made for a particular rider, it could made from whatever was in the workshop at the time. I fear i'll never know unless In just happen across another! or the original builder.


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