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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Your standard 700c tubular tyre rims with 633mm outside are the same diameter as the 622mm ETRTO size of 700c tyre/tube wheels.

The 622mm size refers to the diameter of the bead seat inside the rim. To get the actual outside diameter you need to add around 6mm for each flange...giving 634mm overall. Image
This means that a tub wheel can be swapped out for the newer tyre/tube size without adjusting the brake blocks. Useful when you've ridden to a race and want to swap your general wheels for your racing ones.

The 28" reference comes from this 700c size being roughly converted to Imperial in even numbered steps of roughly 2"/50mm...ie 24"(600c), 26"(650c), 28"(700c).
This was fine as a rough rule of thumb in France where the old UK imperial sizes (ie 26x 1 3/8, 27x 1 1/4, 28x 1/3/8 ) barely existed. But when the nominally 28" French racing size was imported to the UK, it was actually slightly smaller than the better established UK 27x 1 1/4" size (622mm vs 630mm), so to avoid confusion we carried on calling it 700c, the nominal outside diameter name (700mm diameter incl tyre. 27.6").

The named sizes make sense when compared to other sizes in the same size series...The problem we have now is that, thanks to globalisation, we have tyres from the British, French and US systems, all with a nominal size, an actual size and a metric ISO ETRTO size in the mix. No wonder everybody gets confused. :?

I'm not sure I haven't just added to the confusion...

All the best,


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:12 pm 
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On the contrary, the diagram clarifies things considerably and as Old Ned says, the conclusion is full size tubs are standard never mind what it says on the side. I shall prove this when I buy some!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:14 pm 
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I ride on Continental Gatorskins 28" :D tubulars.

Continental fit tight where Vredenstein fit loose still 28"

Continental tubular tyres are really well made and ride really well in all conditions like their tyres they seem to puncture less than others.

Not sure about the Giro, sounds very cheap. Not sure about cheap tyres either. :?:


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