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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:04 am 
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[quote="NeilM"]There are certain names I am seeing, who may have been producing bikes for decades, but who's products are still considered classics, Mercian would be just one example. Then there are the framebuilders, like Argos, Rourke, Yates and Roberts who have been building for many years, plus the new generation of frame builders, who are taking their inspiration from earlier times. A day at Bespoked in Bristol showed dozens of examples of builders like Shand in Scotland, who are producing brand new steel bikes that could be considered retro or classic.quote]

Good point Neil.

I would suggest the"Bespoked"bikes you referred to would fairly be regarded as retro (now and in the near future), as building in steel is clearly"looking back"and taking inspiration from an earlier period - hence the term retro is properly applied to these machines.

The builders (e.g Chas Roberts) you mention are clearly classics in the true sense (they also have"history") and these framesets are built to order for a particular customer - or that is the core business of the builder.

It is difficult imagining aluminium or carbon bikes ever being classic as they are made in large volumes in a few"standard"sizes and not for individuals - also, for me, there's zero romance.

An exception to this would be"team bikes", meaning Bradley's TdF or Olympic TT machine.

Good debate.

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You may want to research your understanding of retro; it is commonly defined as things from the recent past or in the style of. Eg an 80's road bike would be retro in the eyes of almost anyone apart from a handful of forum members it would seem ;)


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Tel wrote:
You may want to research your understanding of retro; it is commonly defined as things from the recent past or in the style of. Eg an 80's road bike would be retro in the eyes of almost anyone apart from a handful of forum members it would seem ;)


Having no option but to study Latin at school I have little problem understand the meaning. Hence my comment, about taking inspiration from the past or indeed looking back.

In Latin retro is commonly used as a prefix, for example retrograde and retrospective, and indeed RetroBike.

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P.S on a personal note (and maybe relevant to the discussion), how could I consider my 80s bicycles as retro - I've had three of them from new?


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roadking wrote:
Roadking.

P.S on a personal note (and maybe relevant to the discussion), how could I consider my 80s bicycles as retro - I've had three of them from new?


I found myself in the same situation. I didn't even know I was retro until I found this site. Up to that point I was a old geezer with a couple of 16 year old MTB's I'd had from new.


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It is an interesting debate.

Personally, I wouldn't call anything made by Mercian, Argos, Rourke, Yates, Roberts or any of the classic frame builders 'Retro'. I think of anything prior to 1990 built by them as 'Vintage'.

Don't ask me why, but its pre 90's mass produced bikes that I would call 'Retro'.


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