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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:29 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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I've just pinched this from the CTC forum..

"Back in the 70s, one of the prestige Italian frame builders was commissioned to make a batch of outwardly identical frames using everything from plain carbon steel to Columbus's finest, brazing a few bits of extra steel inside the latter so they all weighed the same too. These were built up with Campag Record, given to a bunch of top Italian roadies and their feedback collected.

Unfortunately they did not all go better on Columbus's finest. Some, generally the heavier riders, even expressed a distinct preference for the "gas-pipe special"! That's not so surprising after all, since that frame would have been stiffer and not wobble as much in a sprint. "

As i'm 6'1, 17.5 stone unfit and in my 40's this post has changed my direction on building a bike.

I was hoping to drop on a nice 531 frame and build something nice and light from there, through countless hours of research on Ebay anything that's any good on ebay seems to be £150.00+

The second paragraph of the above quote says the Bigger riders even expressed a preference for the gas pipe specials due to less flex etc...

I know I'm a million miles away from even being remotely fit but my intention is to get my fitness to a point where I could keep up with a Sunday club run.

I also happen to have a Raleigh Rod brake 3 speed Gas pipe special in my workshop made in 1970...

Now my plan, I was considering converting the Raleigh to 28" 600c wheels that were a lighter and higher spec with maybe a 10/12 speed gear conversion, close clearance brakes, Brooks saddle and drop bars etc something on the lines of a Pathracer with modern gears etc..

I know it will be heavy but it will still be easier than my mountain bike , should still get me fit and with a Bryton bolted on I could assess my training progress..

This would also allow me time to find a superior frame to swap all the components into at a later date..

All comments, advice and will be gratefully received. :D


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:55 pm 
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I'm no expert on builds lightweight or otherwise. However i'll still make a few points.

Getting fit although a great goal should not be just about that. To keep your goals manageable you would have to include something else, that being enjoyment.

You could drag a gas pipe special along the roads or uphills for 20mls and use 1200cals at an average speed of 10mph

or

Get a nice lightweight frame,do the same but feel the power as you stamp out of corners, feel the speed as you accelerate from a stand. You'll still only burn 1200cals but will fell more enlivened.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:22 pm 
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Converting the Raleigh rod brake jobby will be a real pain. We didn't even bother BITD when I worked in a bike shop in the 70's

If you want to get back peddling buy an old Halfords carrera or a bike off here for £50 and spin those legs :D

Shaun


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:21 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Ok so the Raleigh gas pipe special is a non starter....

Does anybody know of a Steel 531 etc frame and alloy rim wheel set with a bottom bracket for about £50???? All the ones I've seen are £100+

I've been on the online frame fit and my frame size 57.5cm / 22.5" C-T (29" trouser leg) with a top tube of about 55cm

That's for a "touring fit"

The problem I've got on the island is that all the bikes that go for recycling get put in a 20 ton skip where they all get squashed with a 10 ton 360 digger "to make more room in the skip" :?

I've tried in vain and had the usual "more than my Jobs worth" reply when inquiring if I could purchase a scrap frame/Bike

Hence I can get components from where the frames are taken to before their bailed but frames and wheels that aren't shaped like a banana are non existent...

I've allready collected front and rear mech's, weinman brake levers and calipers, a Shimano Biopace chainset 52/40, and a seat of sorts....


Cheers, John


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:36 pm 
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-CARLT ... 500wt_1287

even nice frames start at less than 50 quid.........

Shaun


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:40 pm 
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offer this guy £50 ! You never know.....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raleigh-Class ... 634wt_1270


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:42 pm 
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I've quite lately won this, so they are around

this

So they are around


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:58 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Just seen this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221050362882?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1202

And

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230807709065?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1202

tried £50 on the Raleigh but it was declined, lovely frame though...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:08 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Just managed to get a frame on Ebay, It's not that Retro but it might just do the Job!

It's a Felt, still not sure on the model but I think its a F50 2003/05 ish....

600 headset, Selle Italia seat

All you bike detectives got any clues on the model please

Pic below from Ebay

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:23 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Just found this, I think its a similar frame as the cable guides are the same.

I've seen somewhere Felt Made Kinesis frames.

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