OK...and Fiks has called better than most tbh!
I've seen a pic of this frame back in 2008 before it was resprayed.....it still had Alec Bird decals but with a different fork.
The 'current' 531 decal was put on when it was resprayed by Mario Vaz and could have been selected at random.....the frame has a 27.2mm seatpost and is much lighter than a Holdsworth road path frame i had recently....that was 531 plain gauge main tubes and chromoly stays....and was extremely heavy even allowing for the fact it was a tad bigger....or put it this way....when i sold the Holdsworth...i took it to London and collected the AB....and the AB was much easier to carry!
Here is the pic from 2008: http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... 68#1441068
The forks in the 2008 were discarded when it was resprayed and supplied by Mario Vaz as suitable replacement forks and i think they are 531....[a] been told there was a glut of 531 tapered [butted] forks in the 1970s...plus a frame builder on here told me if the join with the drop outs is dome shaped the forks are 531...and they are dome shaped.....but doubt they were built by Alec Bird!
Not quite the story i was hoping for but as Marx said 'man makes his own history but not make it as they please!'
Someone on LFGSS has said it is definitely NOT a Carlton because of the shot in seat stays.
Contacted the owner in 2008...from this forum and will report back on what he says...assuming he is still a member and does get back to me.
Any other contributions.....positive or negative are most welcome....not trying to hide anything.
So i'm guessing the frame perhaps dates from the 1970s....now if the original owner of this frame is by chance reading this thread....please contact me....or if you know Alec Bird [and i believe he is still alive].....as either the first owner or AB could tell me what i whould like to know about the frame.