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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:42 pm 
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Midlife wrote:
http://www.velofilie.nl/framedelen.htm

Been looking for the lugs and BB........my german isn't that good LOL

Shaun


Good find Shaun, but click on the 'translation' tab at the top and select English and German knowledge isn't that important :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:57 pm 
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why columbus? could it not 531/753?
The tangs on the brake bridge, the plainer lugs and the rounder profile fork blades would suggest 80's. But the non-allen key brake recesses would suggest early 80's.
Its possibly a bocama (BCM) fork crown
As a starter, can you determine seatpin size? If its less than 26.8mm, I'd say its a budget frame. There were lots of columbus aelle/zeta and Falc tubing frames about, which looked good, but were fairly low rent and typically had 26.4mm seatpins. 27.2 would be a good one for definite, and there's debate on what 753 had - some say 27.2, others say 26.8.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:29 pm 
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Some helpful if confusing stuff in that link, google translate aint bad but they don't seem to have dutch down just yet :wink:.

I'm now almost 100% certain it is all columbus; spotted a bird nestling on the fork steerer after a little more paint removal.

I tried a 27.2 post in it - tad too big. only other I've got knocking about is 26.2 which is too small so it is probably 26.8. Also BB thread seems to be Italian.

Other thing I found a bit weird was the cutouts on the lugs are underneath, normal or seem unusual?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:33 pm 
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The cutouts on the lugs underneath were a little odd as was the rounded lug next to it. I expected it to be pointed :)

Can I buy the bar and stem please, pretty please :)

Shaun


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Midlife wrote:
The cutouts on the lugs underneath were a little odd as was the rounded lug next to it. I expected it to be pointed :)

Can I buy the bar and stem please, pretty please :)

Shaun


I have plans for them, sorry! :P


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Shame :(

Shaun :D


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Hi there buddy :-) Hate to throw a spanner in the works but I recognise the cable guides from my "3 Raleighs". Not saying this is a Raleigh but most likely English built / modified.

My 5 Columbus bikes have a different style cable guide, all the same on all 5 bikes. They are simple like a single nipple with a groove in the centre, not split like Reynolds ones. Perhaps the clues lie there ? It's also very heavily pitted. Columbus tubes especially SL SLX which are 80's tubing don't really suffer that sort of heavy rot, even when they have been left out for donkeys years.

Hope some of this helps. If its an Italian BB shell, then perhaps it IS an early 70's Columbus with modified cable guides. Got a bike here exactly just that, a 70's 531 frame with typical 80's cable guides, added at a later date (only know this because when I stripped the frame back to bare metal it was noticable).

1 last tip : tubes are often individually marked with there correct status ie: 531/531c/Columbus. Try looking near the lugs on the tubes themselves. I ID'd 1 of my own by shear luck this way. Found the 531 stamp on the actual tube. After close inspection the other tubes had them too, faint but there, right near the lugs.

Good luck, yours Laz.


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If the forks are columbus it will be stamped on the column,look at the fork and chain stay ends if they are domed its a good chance its reynolds tubing.


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Cheers for info guys, will have a look for any marking on the frame tubing. It's difficult to make out much because of the pitting and I've already done some pretty heavy sanding to get rid of surface rust.

AndyPA wrote:
If the forks are columbus it will be stamped on the column,look at the fork and chain stay ends if they are domed its a good chance its reynolds tubing.


'scuse my ignorance but what do you mean by 'domed'?


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used my googling ability to determine the seat/chainstay ends are not domed... however there is no sign of any columbus markings on the tubes, maybe lost in the paint stripping/sanding? brazing on the bb cable guides appears original and as its italian bb I doubt it is raleigh... so, still none the wiser!


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