went to the shop with a cousin of mine who is looking for a road bike
lovely machines inside
nice chap to discuss the project
did not exactly agree with him when he said that hardly any progress was made between the 50's and now ! and I am thinking steel bikes and their comtemporary parts ( not taking into account the latest tin and plastic changes ! which I am not sure we can call progress

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don't think there is one carbon chunk ( or hardly) in the shop - I agree with that
hard part was when he came to the budget !
5 to 6000 euros for the complete bike and not even with some dura ace parts but with ultegra ones
I asked him about the frame - and it is half of that at 2500 ( without any chrome )
I am sorry to say , that they live in another world than mine
dunno if they must ask these prices as they have a limited number of customers ( would rather think so) as it does not seem to me to be economically justified for a frame in 631 or 725 reynolds ( they don't use columbus at all)
but nice voyage in time ( lovely cyclotourism TA crankset on most machines hich has not changed since 50 years or more! and generally nice parts )
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Serotta Max 853
Scapin Rudolf 2002
and now having been bitten by the vintage roadie bug ! is this serious doctor ?