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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:07 pm 
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Hi. I am wondering wether i should buy a raleigh banana bike. I am not sure if they are very good. I have heard that there are different models but it is not stated in the ad and the seller doesn't know. Is there any way of finding out the model?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:45 pm 
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A dead give away are the gear levers, if they are black then it will mean it's likely to be a Paul Sherwin type replica based on a 18-23 tubing or similar. It would be un-likely to be the Reynolds 531 version.
if it's on ebay, reply with the link so we can assess it better.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:35 am 
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Also, the lower end models didn't have a rear derailleur hanger and so the mech attached to the rear wheel dropout using a universal hanger like this

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which clamps between the dropout and the wheel nut, or quick-release nut. In fact, for the most part these bikes came fitted with the ubiquitous Huret rear derailleur:

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which might aid with identification. The frame was built with Raleigh's proprietary 18-23 tubing, which again might help you identify it one way or the other.

Cheers,
Gareth.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:00 am 
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garethrl wrote:
Also, the lower end models didn't have a rear derailleur hanger and so the mech attached to the rear wheel dropout using a universal hanger like this

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which clamps between the dropout and the wheel nut, or quick-release nut. In fact, for the most part these bikes came fitted with the ubiquitous Huret rear derailleur:

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which might aid with identification. The frame was built with Raleigh's proprietary 18-23 tubing, which again might help you identify it one way or the other.

Cheers,
Gareth.


Also, the cheaper of the two models only has one set of water bottle mounts; the one with proper race spec has 2 sets. I think the latter also came with a fork with a sloping fork crown flush with the blades; the cheap version has a crown with a flatter top and a visible crown/blade junction.

Example pic of cheapo replica showing fork and rear derailleur mount here:

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Another difference is that unlike this photo, the 531c model may well have had allen key brake bolts.

Link to pukka racing version here;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27534652@N ... 735735@N24

There seems to be a subtle paint job difference in the seat lug area too. 531c version is yellow not black at that point.

David


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:34 pm 
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the decals on the seat stays are different on the lightweight model
they read reynolds on one and shimano on the other
there are two lightweights a 531 with 6 speed shimano 105
and a 753 team model not sure of groupset on this but if you see one
buy it ! ive had the 531 banana and wrecked it in a crash. and still have the scars to prove it never seen a 753 in the flesh.
spooky just checked that flikr link thats my bike! or should i say was
i re built that with more modern equipment though. its mix of old 600. 105. and dura - ace.
frame is totally original.
ask what transfers are on the down tube if they read 18-23 its not lightweight if they say 531 or 753 or reynolds give me his phone number!
ive seen a couple of lightweight on flea bay recently make decent money


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Never seen a 753 one either, would love to own on as well, so there may be a bidding war :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:09 am 
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Did you find out any more about which model Team Banana the bike is?

Perhaps perversely, I'd be really interested in a 'gaspipe special' 18-23 tubed version, as long as the paint is in good condition. As bizarre as that might sound, I do have some warped rationale behind it! I'm trying to collect all the Raleigh Team-painted frames in as many tubesets as were available. So far I have a 70 's Record (yellow headtube) in 531, late 70's/early 80's TI Raleigh in 753 (a lovely Ilkeston SB frame), and recently acquired a Panasonic in 501. The unicorn will be trying to get a Super-U/Castorama frame in 653 but they do turn up from time to time - there's a repainted one in Reader's Bikes now, and a 21" NOS frame showed up on ebay recently but it was too small for me. So if I can add a Banana in 18-23 then I'll have a full house!

Well, for the road frames anyway - I'd 'need' an Adrian Timmis/David Baker special in DynaTech too, of course. After that I'm stuck for any more inspiring team liveries - the generic carbon frames with swooshy graphics nowadays really don't do it for me.

Cheers,
Gareth.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:30 pm 
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garethrl wrote:
Did you find out any more about which model Team Banana the bike is?

Perhaps perversely, I'd be really interested in a 'gaspipe special' 18-23 tubed version, as long as the paint is in good condition. As bizarre as that might sound, I do have some warped rationale behind it! I'm trying to collect all the Raleigh Team-painted frames in as many tubesets as were available. So far I have a 70 's Record (yellow headtube) in 531, late 70's/early 80's TI Raleigh in 753 (a lovely Ilkeston SB frame), and recently acquired a Panasonic in 501. The unicorn will be trying to get a Super-U/Castorama frame in 653 but they do turn up from time to time - there's a repainted one in Reader's Bikes now, and a 21" NOS frame showed up on ebay recently but it was too small for me. So if I can add a Banana in 18-23 then I'll have a full house!

Well, for the road frames anyway - I'd 'need' an Adrian Timmis/David Baker special in DynaTech too, of course. After that I'm stuck for any more inspiring team liveries - the generic carbon frames with swooshy graphics nowadays really don't do it for me.

Cheers,
Gareth.


Gareth - what size do you ride? There's a 23" Castorama 653 frameset doing the rounds on eBay at present;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Raleigh-653-Casto ... 1e61eb8e98

David


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:27 pm 
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Hi David,
Thanks for the heads-up - and also to the other forum member who pointed me at it! Happily ride a 23" frame and so will be keeping a close eye on this one.

The knock on the top tube is not ideal, but neither is it a dealbreaker. I wonder if I could get it rolled out by a builder? Probably not without messing up the paint and decals.

Cheers,
Gareth.


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In the late 80's I went to Welwyn and watched a time trial stage of the Tour of Britain and Raleigh Banana were there, the bikes were 753 with C Record - I've still got the photos somewhere in the loft.

A guy I know who rides for Kettering CC owns an ex Fignon Raleigh Castorama. There's a picture of it on the net somewhere, I'll try and find it.


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