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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:12 am 
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Its nervex lugs for definite.

so the simplex derailleur and shifters would be a 1970's addition then?

It must have had a derailleur though as chainring is a 10 speed, I can only see braze on on one side oddly.

Ill take a pick of serial number later.

I'm thinking its a sun wasp manxman then.

it has type one weinman centre pulls and what look like later weinman levers. My guess is someone has 'upgraded' the bike in the 1970's incl the respray.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:27 am 
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Not a manxman, they had support struts - check out http://www.classicrendezvous.com./British_isles/Sun_bicycles_main.htm. If its Nervex lugs, its more than likely a sun wasp. My wasp is an earlier one ( one shifter, pump pegs on the downtube ), and was produced in the bespoke lightweight workshop in 1952 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tk_photos/3743110085/ . Thanks Terry


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:16 pm 
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if you look at my picture mine has support struts like this..

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Manxman it is then, just need to place the year, better pictures please, and double check the serial number. Terry


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The man I bought it from got it in 1969 and resprayed it then himself.

I'm thinking he changed the rear derailleur to campagnolo valentino extra and front derallieur to simplex.


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Checkout http://peterbrueggeman.com/cr/sun.htm, check the lugs, as Sun used nervex lugs for the top of the range, but did cut there own, with many of them very similar to nervex. Terry


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Checked the number of frame again in the light, its i think BTV4408

Hope this helps.

There isnt brazings on both sides, so I presume it originally had a suicide derailleur and just one lever for the 10 speed like in the pic of that bike, so in the 1970's it was swapped for a simplex derailleur and double downtube levers. they look the same age as the ones that were on my other carlton.


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Checkout my Manxman, is this the same ? It's on a T serial number, which is 1952/3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tk_photos/5235171890/in/photostream/ Thanks Terry


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It's a really handsome bike; I really like the wasp-ish 60's repaint it's had. I could spend months trying to decide whether to restore it to how it would have looked originally or work with the orange and black paint.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:05 pm 
Old School Hero

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Same shape, struts, lugwork.

Differences, my drop outs have triangle bits cut out of them and the pump holder runs along the top tube.

Could it be a later model in the fifties, seen one in a catalogue for 1957 that looks identical to mine.

Wish it had the original paint, think I'm gonna do this one racing green.


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