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 Post subject: Pantani's Bianchi
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:53 pm 
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looks like a guy in italy is trying to auction off Pantani's Bianchi that he won the tour on in 1998.
the price is 250,000.00 euros starting !!!!!!!!!
Seems the family say its not the bike and looking at the photos seems it s not the real bike.
I am building one and have checked all the photos and it is not the bike Pantani rode
Just shows to be careful when buying a bike with an alleged 'race history',
remembering hearing there were now more Manx Norton racing bikes in 2010 than were built.
And the famous Bentley car which raced the train in the 1920's , which was sold for £7 million,has been found to have been in the factory in bits at the time of the race.
http://italiaanseracefietsen.wordpress. ... i-geveild/


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:23 am 
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Pantani rode a custom frame - if the frame has stock geometry, then its easy to dismiss. There was a limited edition replica produced afterwards which I think confuses people - easily identified as it has black rimmed wheels, rather than the dark grey Electrons that Pantani rode


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:28 am 
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Pantani's bike is in the Bianchi museum isn't it?


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 Post subject: Pantani's bike
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:38 am 
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Sorry the bike in the Bianchi Museum is not one either, thats probably the worst example of a false 'team' bike.
Pantani rode a compact frame which was available in 2000 as the EV2
He rode alloy ergo levers, with only the gear side side one working, the front chainwheel one was removed and used as a brake only and a downtube lever fitted.
The museum bike has a standard frame and carbon ergo levers.
Willier have his 1997 bike in there museum, and Carrera have his later 2001 bike in there's.
its easier to say that a bike is a real team bike, than prove it isnt. and unlike historic racing cars/motor bikes there seems to be no form of recorded identity done by the manufacturers especially as modern day team bikes are in fact massed produced frames, can you imagine how many Cervelo, Felt, Treks will come on the market as 'team bikes' in 25 years time.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:50 am 
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Unless of coarse it has a unique serial number or decals...or as in many cases no serial number at all.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:15 am 
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gm1230126 wrote:
Unless of coarse it has a unique serial number or decals...or as in many cases no serial number at all.


Absolutely, because if someone wants to build a fake team bike for profit they wouldn't bother buying a $5 set of die stamps, or invest in a file or having decals made now would they.

Instant unique serial numbers:
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Just add one Outpost and hey presto, instant team bike with magic number

Still, it's never going to be in the same league as a Pantani bianchi. You can see the conversation a the collectors convention:
'I own Pantani's TdF winning Bianchi',
'That's nothing, I own Todd Wells' GT'
'Who?'


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:27 am 
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pete_mcc wrote:
gm1230126 wrote:
Unless of coarse it has a unique serial number or decals...or as in many cases no serial number at all.


Absolutely, because if someone wants to build a fake team bike for profit they wouldn't bother buying a $5 set of die stamps, or invest in a file or having decals made now would they.

Instant unique serial numbers:
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True and that's why research is so important. Getting some type of documentation is important too. Shipping labels, pictures, written notes anything that can lend authenticity. Most authentic riders bikes will have something that's unigue or patina of some sorts that would set them aside from a perfect reproduction frame with no scratches. Obviously something in a Pantani vintage frame would have dulled clearcoat by now from UV breakdown and it would be easy enough to tell if it had no scratches, nicks or wear on the components.

Pete like someone wouldn't know the weight of a rebadged relabeled Outpost wasn't real....be real dude :D


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:34 am 
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gm1230126 wrote:

Pete like someone wouldn't know the weight of a rebadged relabeled Outpost wasn't real....be real dude :D


Just ripping you, you GT lovin' freak!


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