The frame came to me from the Netherlands (Westerland, way up north) via ebay. The seller said that he thought it was originally a pro-issue bike which would coincide with the last season of the great TI Raleigh team which disbanded at the end of the '83 season when Peter Post switched to Panasonic taking about half the riders with him.
I had originally intended a full restoration and has been in touch with Argos about it (the TI and Panasonic colours are amngst the most requested restorarion colour schemes, apparently). But, when the frame arrived the more I looked at it the more I realised that most of the paint is in pretty good condition, and the more I thought about it I realised I wanted to keep it original if at all possible. I mean, what if it was an actual TI Team issue frame? Just looking at Wikipedia for the TI Raleigh team in 1983 shows the following palmares (wins only):
Ronde van Vlaanderen , Jan Raas
Gent–Wevelgem, Leo van Vliet
Four Days of Dunkirk, Leo van Vliet
Rund um den Henninger-Turm, Ludo Peeters
Paris–Tours, Ludo Peeters
Championship of Zurich, Johan van der Velde
Tour de France: 4 stages (Bert Oosterbosch (2), Peter Winnen, Henk Lubberding), General classification: 3rd (Peter Winnen) and 10th (Henk Lubberding); 1st team classification
- so what if this frame actually participated in some of those races?! Or stretching it even further, what if it actually won any of them??!
I know I'm putting the cart before the horse, but until I'm clearer on the actual history of the frame, then I'm not going for a full restoration. I want to keep the patina, warts'n'all. My mechanic has done a pretty good job of matching the paint so I'm happy with that. I'm planning to take some time treating the rust, then paint over the currently exposed parts, but leave as much of the original paint intact as possible.
Replacement decals are a possibility though, but I'll have to take stock of that once the painting is done. I may well order them in any case so that I'd have them in the event of deciding the current ones are too tatty. I can always choose to go for a full resto at some point in the future, but once that's done then there's no going back to the poriginal paint, and to my mind it's not the same historic bike any more, once that's been done.
Of course, if the frame's race history turns out to be far more mundane, then all the above is moot! I'm in the process of joining http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TI_RALEIGH_TEAM_PROS/
to try to find out more direct information, and will let you know what I find out.
I'll also take some decent pics over the weekend, those ones were taken last night with a mobile phone. The dropouts are indeed drilled, and frm memory I think they're Campagnolo. The frame came with a Hattaswan headset (I'd never heard of then before, but it's excellent quality) and Record BB. The headset has been swapped for the Record on one my Merckx, so the Raleigh will be full Campag as much as possible.
rusty bodie wrote:
DON'T DO IT!!!!!
PLEASE get this lovely old frame PROPERLY renovated!!! honestly, it would be a waste, sacrelege even to get anything less than a professional job done on this rare and wonderful frame!!! try master frame builders like mercian, bob jackson or dave yates - i can recommend all three equally.
check out cyclomondo on ebay for your transfers:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Raleigh-TI-531-75 ... ccessories
now, 753.... i think we are going too deep with this!!
simply *pinggg* any of the maintubes and if they sound like
they are incredibly thin and fragile then you've got a 753! if they go
*THUDDD* like a lead pipe then it something not so exquisite!! could you film
it and put it on youtube perhaps - i could diagnose a 753 much easier that way! lol going by the brazed components and the battered 753 badge it all ties in with the features found on a genuine early 80s special products frame!
the reason your forks have the unusual TI badge was raleigh's
decision alone - no one else to my knowledge had those badges
on the forks and indeed they didn't come with the tubesets available
to the ordinary framebuilders outwith raleigh. personally i never
liked them and indeed on the SB8650 frame that i had in panasonic
colours there were no 753 badges of any description, instead a red
and yellow motif with the raleigh "heron" on.
you have got a cinelli cast bottom bracket and internal fork crown (was it called the CCA? hmm...) and by the look of it prugnat lugs but the original owner must have requested the "shot in" stays as i'm sure that raleigh ilkeston built with the standard side-brazed stays - they certainly did on the larger frames as it was deemed stronger. also you have the under-offset brake cable stops on the top tube - another classic raleigh special products feature. i can't tell from the photos but are they campag dropouts? i know they used simplex for a while but think that was in the raleigh weinmann days of the panasonic colours, from '86 onwards and i'm thinking they might have been drilled for lightness too...now i'm guessing! yours looks like a 21 1/2" or 22" frame, perhaps?
god, where has all this stuff come flooding back from!?! i haven't thought about this for over twenty years!!!!!
where did you find this frame? please tell us all more about it!!