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 Post subject: Frame ID help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:14 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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If anyone has any thoughts on ID of this frame it would be appreciated. No frame number found yet, just a number 4 cast into the BB shell. There is a grease port on top of BB. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Frame ID help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:56 pm 
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Oil hole in the BB so a bit before my time lol. Any pics of the rear dropouts?


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 Post subject: Re: Frame ID help
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:59 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Midlife wrote:
Oil hole in the BB so a bit before my time lol. Any pics of the rear dropouts?

I will get one. Thanks


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:00 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Rear dropout


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 Post subject: Re: Frame ID help
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:40 am 
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The over-bracket cable guide suggests early/mid 70s. It became fashionable to have a frame with no braze-ons, so if it also has a band-on shifter mount this will be confirmed. The fork bend is quite low down on the fork, almost like an early 50s or 60s fork, but the Allen head bolt in the seat cluster says the frame is later than that. Plain lugs, pressed dropouts and a lack of chrome tell us it's not a high-end frame. The seatpost diameter will tell us roughly what steel it's made from, but the current seatpost might be one size too small because the seat cluster has closed up from being over-tightened. The front hub might not belong - it looks like a 50s alloy body like a Philips or a Normandy with round holes and it feels a bit like the quick release axle has been added later. If it's a 70s bike, hubs generally had slotted holes by then.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:32 am 
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My first impression was that it did not look British. Strange it has mudguard eyes at rear but not front, but has massive wheel clearance.
Front wheel 36 hole crossed 4 times.

Keith


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:33 am 
Dirt Disciple

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Thanks Jonny69.
I thought that seatpost was overtightened!
I agree the fork looks of an older design than the frame.
I am not expecting it to be anything special as i bought it for a couple of the parts on it really and there is a mix of parts! Mix as follows!
Stronglight chainset.
Campagnolo BB cable guide.
Triplex DT shifters.
Kalloy stem. ITM bars.
Rear wheel is 27 inch with unbranded hub and rigida hungary rim and 6 speed shimano.
Front wheel Cegedur Duralumin hub and unbranded 700c rim. Campagnolo QR.
Rear mech shimano tourney.
Front mech Zeus.
Not sure on BB and Headset.
A spare parts build i think.
Front wheel


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 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:35 am 
Dirt Disciple

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Thanks Keith.
Maybe f+f are a mismatch. I did think maybe not a uk bike.

quote="keithglos"]My first impression was that it did not look British. Strange it has mudguard eyes at rear but not front, but has massive wheel clearance.
Front wheel 36 hole crossed 4 times.

Keith[/quote]


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 Post subject: Re: Frame ID help
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:04 pm 
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Dropouts are before my 70's era I think which ties in with the oil hole in the BB. Pencil stays so not a shabby frame. Loads of builders in the 50's - 60's could have made it, even my old bike shop Cliff Pratt. Interestingly, the lugs are plain which make it a bit later as the Italians hoved into view.


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 Post subject: Re: Frame ID help
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:52 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Thanks. I think i will keep the parts off it that i want and move the frame and remaining parts on. I will end up with too many unknown frames otherwise.

Midlife wrote:
Dropouts are before my 70's era I think which ties in with the oil hole in the BB. Pencil stays so not a shabby frame. Loads of builders in the 50's - 60's could have made it, even my old bike shop Cliff Pratt. Interestingly, the lugs are plain which make it a bit later as the Italians hoved into view.


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