Frame identification help needed Frame 2 of 2

Hello all, I'm hoping the collective knowledge of the board can help me identify a couple of frames I've picked up recently? I want to restore and build them both and always prefer to badge them correctly if I can so any help would be appreciated.

This is the second of the two and has a few distinguishing features but I have my doubts about the Bianchi decals being correct:

its lugless and had a lot of chrome originally with the original colour being a metallic purple (which I have seen on Bianchi's).

I would say it's Columbus tubing at a guess but don't know which.

The rear brake cable bosses on the top tube look quite distinctive in thier positioning, as does the two little cable guide rings for the shifter cables on the head tube..

the ends and droputs are Columbus and the only otehr markings I can see are a big S on its side on the bottom bracket and what looks like a 3 or 4 digit number that I can't make out.

I weighs in at 2850g as you see it so just frame, forks and headset

I'm also not convinced it would actually pass as retro and could actually be a bit too modern.

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No idea about the maker but something about it makes me think it's not Italian, maybe the curve on the forks? You'll probably come back and say the threads are Italian now!
Mark.

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daccordimark":3daflecz said:

No idea about the maker but something about it makes me think it's not Italian, maybe the curve on the forks? You'll probably come back and say the threads are Italian now!
Mark.

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I haven't tried them yet but think they're English, as soon as I can get back in the garage I'll try a bottom bracket in it and report back.

I know what you mean though , sometimes I look at it and think Italian and others not, I think the poor paint doesn't help but the amount of chrome did make me think it was Italian initially.

Yep English threads

I thought I'd bump this one in the hope that anyone had any more thoughts on it.

I've taken the forks out and found the frame number which appears on both the forks and BB shell which appears to be 0064, you can't read the 4 that well on the forks but it's pretty clear on the BB shell.

I also gave it a quick rub down in the hope I'd expose some sticker ghosts, nothing there but I did confirm the original colour was purple.

So if that tickles anyone's brain cells pleas feel free to offer an opinion.

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Horizontal or sloping top tube when built up?

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pigman":2ct6c19v said:

Horizontal or sloping top tube when built up?

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Horizontal top tube, pretty standard retro frame angles really