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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 5:42 pm 
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Lovely bike. There is a thread on here with Holdsworth frame numbers which should give a year. Several experts on here might help you with the model. Whereabouts are you based.?


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:04 am 
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MatBH5 wrote:
Lovely bike. There is a thread on here with Holdsworth frame numbers which should give a year. Several experts on here might help you with the model. Whereabouts are you based.?



Glad you like it. The bike rides as good as it looks, too!
I have seen the Holdsworth info at Yellow Jersey and going by the 5 digit serial number, the year of the bike is 1969
I am in the Pacific Northwest, USA


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 Post subject: Re: Wilier
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am 
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I have this very nice Wilier, engraved stem, seat post, headset, Nuovo record shifters, super record cranks, looking for a value as it's too big for me

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmaaiy6N


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 2:14 pm 
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I would see this as 1970 going by the number although I don't claim complete accuracy. The history site should help ID the frame, but I think you might have a good find here. I have attached a link to the database I have been building up, compre it to frame number 35024.

http://www.nkilgariff.com/Models.htm History site
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... TNKZkN4TmM Database

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:00 pm 
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I would agree with Dave Scrimshaw, raverson's c 1970 35247 is a Professional Pro similar to frame 35024 that he points to on his Excel data base. Thus an early factory Pro. Prugnat S lugs, wrapover seat stays, no fender eyes and chrome were characteristic of the Pro. Unusual to have full chrome on forks as expected yet only a trace of chrome on faces of rear dropouts as would have more likely had chrome 10 inches up the stays - thus pointing to a repaint. Is there a hint of chrome under the paint? (A pro would have originally been the iconic orange with kingfisher blue panels.) That particular Reynolds decal did not appear until later in 70's and was used into the 80's, again suggestive of a repaint. The TT cable guides and under the BB cable tunnels with under the chain stay RD cable guide were not used until 80's as well at least by Holdsworth. In 1970 braze'ons would have been minimal ie a RD cable guide on top surface of chain stay only. Likely braze-ons were added at time of repaint.

I'd hesitate to guess the value as repaint, added braze-ons and some non original, later looking kit would take away from value but on other hand in my mind it has to be a rather rare and coveted early Holdsworth factory Professional frame. Perhaps someone else will suggest a value.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:01 pm 
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I would agree with Dave Scrimshaw, raverson's c 1970 35247 is a Professional Pro similar to frame 35024 that Dave points to on his Excel data base. Thus an early factory Pro. Prugnat S lugs, wrapover seat stays, no fender eyes and chrome were characteristic of the Pro. Unusual to have full chrome on forks as expected yet only a trace of chrome on faces of rear dropouts as would have more likely had chrome 10 inches up the stays - thus pointing to a repaint. Is there a hint of chrome under the paint? (A pro would have originally been the iconic orange with kingfisher blue panels.) That particular Reynolds decal did not appear until later in 70's and was used into the 80's, again suggestive of a repaint. The TT cable guides and under the BB cable tunnels with under the chain stay RD cable guide were not used until 80ish as well at least by Holdsworth. In 1970 braze'ons would have been minimal ie a RD cable guide on top surface of chain stay only. Likely braze-ons were added at time of repaint.

I'd hesitate to guess the value as repaint, added braze-ons and some non original, later looking kit would take away from value but on other hand in my mind it has to be a rather rare and coveted early Holdsworth factory Professional frame. Perhaps someone else will suggest a value. As is often said, a frame is worth what a buyer is willing to pay - particularly in this case.

Doug


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:12 am 
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Hi All,

I wonder if anyone can help identify this bike please?

It belonged to my great Uncle Lyndsey who was a competitive racing cyclist in Yorkshire in the 1950's. According to family tradition it was a Claude Butler but I'm not sure if anyone can prove that?

The bike is in need of some TLC so the time has come to pass it on to someone who wants a project. I will probably list it on ebay so it would be very helpful if anyone can tell me what it is please? And I'd also welcome opinions on what it might be worth.

Thank You,

Jon

(PS I posted this in its own thread but was advised to add it here as well, thanks)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:16 pm 
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any frame number to go with this?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:25 pm 
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dwscrimshaw wrote:
any frame number to go with this?


Where would I look for it please? Sorry I'm a total bike novice :oops:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:29 pm 
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Orca wrote:
dwscrimshaw wrote:
any frame number to go with this?


Where would I look for it please? Sorry I'm a total bike novice :oops:


Normally under the bottom bracket or on rear dropouts. Sometimes on the seat lug. I would expcet a 5 digit number in good size stamping, but some time 3 or 4 digits for low numbers.


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