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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:13 am 
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SF Klein wrote:
^^Wait a minute...this thread isn't turning into an official Klein Cool Wall now is it? :D


they are cool whenever , whatever. and if it is turning into a cool wall, well just proves the point. put any bike against a klein and see what happens. no one can justify putting a klein in any other category really. like the man said from dirty dancing "no one puts baby in the corner" they are not vintage or classic they have a class of there own. show me a bike that can come close and watch the topic go on for many a page. LoL

i await the debate.

thanks andy


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I vote Cool!

A bike that you spend more time looking at than riding is definitely cool!

I had my first Klein when I was 16 (lucky find in a second-hand shop) and fell in love straight away!


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MARDIGRAS and RAINFOREST. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:27 am 
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mikee wrote:
i always thought they summed up the yuppie thing meself
yup they were competent bikes and the engineering was good and in
a few months in 1992 or whatever they were "cool"
but most of the folk that i knew that had them were complete wankers
would turn up with an m3 beemer or worse an s3 quatrro and ride a bit
prefering not to get them mucky
and have you ridden one ?
well its just like riding a nice bicycle
however thats not why we do this is it we are the rightfull keepers of these
and give them a life they were ment for


Isn't that what a mountainbiking is a lot about today with all the 3k plus full bouncers around ridden by goons?...don't think much has changed in that respect.

Regardless of owners still beautiful bikes. period :D


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Gator needs black tyres and grips....then it would be cool lol


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how come we never get any snow. ringle and klein seem to just go hand in hand.


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any123 wrote:
how come we never get any snow. ringle and klein seem to just go hand in hand.


You mean they both crack alot :wink:


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That is a stunning picture, always hated them bitd but those two look the business, don't think I'd ever ride one, I'd be to scared but as a garage queen then yeah I can see that.


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ameybrook wrote:
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Then a great idea comes to one of them. Can't remember who, but the ideas was: Double the prices.
And double the prices they did. After that they couldn't keep up with the demand...

Is that your final answer?

I've certainly read the same anecdote, and I think it was in an interview with GK. The American-built aluminium Kleins were less expensive on the domestic market than the imported European exotica of the 1970s, but nobody would take them seriously until the price was raised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

I was tidying up an old hard drive and came across a pdf document called "Gary_Klein_Speech" which I saved in 2003 - apparently from the Klein website. I've uploaded it here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/1831490448/ ... Speech.pdf

Here's an extract:

Quote:
The [MIT] innovation center gave our bicycle project a $20,000 grant to see
if there was a business there. Each of the partners put up $1,000 and we began to produce,
promote and market small batches of aluminum bike frames in the machine shops and our
basement office of MIT. After a year and a half, the batch sizes had grown. The two active
partners, Jim Williams and myself had bought out the inactive partners. We were hiring
students to help machine parts for the frames. We needed a more commercial location.

So I borrowed some money from my parents, purchased some used tools and an old truck, loaded up
our jigs and belongings and moved to San Martin, California. My parents let me use some abandoned
dehydrator buildings on their former orchard. The free rent was needed, as we were not making and
selling very many frames at that point. The racers whom we had targeted as our market were not buying
many frames. And the feedback from the recreational riders indicated that they thought the big
tubes and lumpy welds were ugly. So we began to work at improving the appearances of our bikes as
well as the performance. Just making a technically superior product it seemed was not enough.
Science without art did not sell well.

During this period of low income, Jim and I split up. Since I had invested the most, I ended up with
the business. I started looking for an engineering job and as a last resort, almost doubled the price of
the frames we made from $325 to $575. I was making too little margin on them, and the customers
wanted us to spend even more time and effort on the frames, so I figured that raising the price would
dry up the orders and would make the decision to close the business easy.

Instead of reducing the demand for the Klein frames, the orders increased markedly. At a premium
above the steel frames, somehow the technical advantages of the aluminum frames were more credible
to the typical purchaser. I had to hire some help and increase production.

We worked to further improve the cosmetics of the frames and make them more custom. Improving
the visual appeal turned out to be a crucial element in creating a viable business. By 1980, I was building
custom frames for over $2000 each.

So there it is, from the horse's mouth. Klein was a struggling business until Gary Klein nearly doubled the frame prices. At a premium over the steel competition, riders began to take aluminium frames seriously, and demand took off.

Of course, all this refers to road frames. Klein made no mountain frames until the mid eighties.


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