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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:23 pm 
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Oh man, what have I created?


This is truly inspiring stuff, people, keep it coming! Still looking for that Gold Kili with the first series XTR and Ritchey WCS finishing kit, though!


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Do you mean this one Carlos?


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Sadly not, but thanks! Must have been the next year, as it wasn't an e-stay. I wish I could really remember what it was better, but I only ever saw one, back when I first started working in a bike shop. It was a long time ago!


It was the first year they did that lovely rigid fork of theirs, and the spec was impeccable.


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Carlos the Slackal wrote:
Sadly not, but thanks! Must have been the next year, as it wasn't an e-stay. I wish I could really remember what it was better, but I only ever saw one, back when I first started working in a bike shop. It was a long time ago!


It was the first year they did that lovely rigid fork of theirs, and the spec was impeccable.


Was it a '93 then? You must have seen the '93 catalogue http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... +catalogue


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:58 am 
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I'd love that xtr one. I keep getting tempted to upgrade bits on mine!


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onza100 wrote:
I'd love that xtr one. I keep getting tempted to upgrade bits on mine!


Me too. For me the Tange frames are perfect for mid range lx/dx. However if I do get my mits on one of the true temper avr(think thats what it was) frames like the kili xtr and my old traverse, I will certainly look to lavish with XT/ XTR

Am I right in thinking my old traverse 92 frame and the other avr frames are considerably lighter than the tange?


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the lowly Diamond Back Topanga came with True Temper AVR


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legrandefromage wrote:
the lowly Diamond Back Topanga came with True Temper AVR


You certainly have a point in general.

I just wandered if there was a big difference between the tange and avr frames. In Saracen terms they used the avr on the higher end 92 range and the tange on lower end. I mean if both materials were as good why make identical frames out of different materials. Unless it was a case of supply..


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I dont think saracen themselves new either


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:33 pm 
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Use of different frame materials could just be to give differenciation between Sport and Competition ranges.

It does not necessarily mean one is better than the other as a material.

Also consider that they would play with the number of tubes that were constructed from a particular material.

For example, lower range frames may only have 'XXX main tube' or 'main tubes' or 'frame tubes'

You see where I am comming from?

BTW Protrax SE 97 frame No is A708000002

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