You have lost me completely Neil...
Please explain Im lost.
Sorry Carl. What I meant was that you only have to look at Dave's frames and you see features, like through tube cable routing, which are only now becoming common place on mtbs. Also, look at Ringo's CATS, then look at my Yates 853, and you will see a similar style of bike, only the Lloyd was produced twelve years before my Yates. As far as I can see, he was a long way ahead of the market and perhaps he was just too far ahead.
As for the comparison with Fuquay, my comparison is flimsy at best, and is based on the riding experience of only three bikes, but all three are fast, fleet of foot and quite aggressive, something I like but possibly not what everyone wants. Lets face it, there are a lot more DOGS BOLX out there than CATS and Fuquays combined, so clearly Chas was producing what more people wanted at the time.
There could be a host of reasons why Dave Lloyd and Greg Fuquay stopped producing mtb's (none of which are any of my business), but it could just be that what they wanted to build was not what people at the time wanted to buy... no matter how good they were (and in my opinion, they are / were very good).
Ah I see, sorry I wasn't on your train of thought.
Greg Fuquay got married and returned home around 2000, and took a New direction. And given the timing and how the direction the trade was taking I was never massively surprised.
Dave Retired, (there are many reasons Trade related, but I shant comment on that, little benefit to digging up old wounds, and I personally have far too much respect for him to do so.)
Dave was a National Road Champion before a frame builder, road bikes, low profiles, etc etc used internal cable routing hence this style, and one thing many reviews criticiszed him for, given split cables were becoming the favourite for maintenance etc etc. This was at a time when the devil was in the detail remember, few were doing internal, ala Klein Etc.
Fuquay built for Serotta before coming here, and for me the similarities, clearances/style etc are more than evident.
Ive tried with a modicum of success, comparisons, but in truth it only works if each bike is built to a very similar spec, and of the same model year, builder to builder, and at the same price point and frame size. Only then, could I genuinely make an unbiased evaluation.
Example being... Chas Roberts 1992 D.O.G.S B.O.L.O.X, 1992 Dave Lloyd C.A.T.S W.H.I.S.K.A.S----- both pace suspended XT period spec, etc etc etc.