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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:23 am 
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I've come to this late and and am therefore resurrecting the thread!

I've got to say there is some absolute guff being spouted about ugly modern bikes and OTT decals / colour schemes (meant in a joking / friendly none derogatory tone).

There were some hideously loud paint jobs...some Yo Eddy's for example, splatter jobs, neon bits etc. Modern bikes are going through a colour resurrection at the moment. It wasn't that long ago when stealth was the order of the day.

There have been some awful looking old bikes...early Orange full sus bikes were grim as were some of the early 'Dale versions. There have also been some lovely ones...just as there are some lovely looking modern bikes as well as some ugly ones.

The thing that really got me was 'modern' companies being about making money. I think that's always been the case. I'm sure when the first Spesh MTB was issued it wasn't for fun or out of he goodness of their heart but to exploit a niche that they spotted. Same as Pace, Kona etc.

As for the way things work, modern things do do certain things better. I have an early nineties Beast of the East which is a good looking bike but the angles mean that it is twitchy, the bars are too narrow, the canti and original Hope disc brake suck as do the RC35's. However I still love it for sentimental reasons but my more modern bikes do do modern riding much better. I also think that they're good looking in their own right.

As for mechanicals, I have far less breakages than I used to but then again I started riding in '96 which was when DH, jumping and mucking about started to boom and the kit at the time just wasn't suitable. Trails have changed, they are rougher so bikes have changed. I couldn't imagine riding some of the tracks in Wharncliffe on my old 'Dale.

The other thing is who cares if someone has a nice car and a expensive bike? It's their money, they can spend it on what they want. Not only that, it's a good thing for those of us who buy a lot of stuff second hand! That attitude is just as judgemental as those who look down on people riding older bikes.

There's room for both, and I get that this is retro bike but it does seem that people have blanked out some of the god awful bikes that were produced....and the mental paint jobs and purple anodising!

Anyway, enough from me. Just enjoy riding bikes.



I have to say agree with the above....I enjoy a retro ride...its diffferent, nostalgic and simple. But for comfort and ease and everyday ridability my modern rides are better. There was a lot of ugly stuff BITD and the same is true of modern bikes of today....but one day (in my opinion) these modern bikes will be retro bikes of the future. We are all used to ABS and traction control in modern cars today and whilst its fun to drive a sports car with neither...we all appreciate the mod cons that a modern car provides...can the same not be true of bikes?

We all wanted the innovations in the bike world back then in pre 97 land why would we be stupid enough to deny ourselves of developments that have happened since then? Yeah sure some bikes have become style over content, but to consign every bike post 1997 to be over engineered and ugly and not fit for purpose is naive to say the least. I love old bikes but I love new bikes with equal measure...they are very different machines and should be treated as such and not compared like for like.

There is a danger in the retro world to dismiss anything "new" this to me is a luddite mentality and tantamount to a fear of progression...a rage against the machine! Can we not appreciate the past and the roots of our love of Mountain bikes whilst appreciating the advances and benefits that have been evolved over time?

Just my imput!!!

Doug



I think the thread is about modern bikes being Ugly - rather than about performance.
No doubt they perform better for what they do - most of the time, though most are one dimensional and mass produced in China/Taiwan, immediately making them not so desirable.
The ATB has turned into a small niche product now, whereas other cycling in general is booming.

They're hideous things though, there is no doubt about that, horrid putrid things, filling every bike shop with their miasmic presence, only fit for those who need several inches of travel and want to go OFF ROAD, I mean really off any sort of road or trail - like Army Humvee's in Bike form.


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:30 am 
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This is just trolling now, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:55 am 
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MikeD wrote:
This is just trolling now, isn't it?



Tongue in cheek :P


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:59 am 
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Got to say that I agree with Mike.

Most mountain bikes have been mass produced. Early Stumpjumpers were hardly one off, lovingly created bespoke creations. They were mass produced. There is nothing wrong with far east production. Ultimately a lot of it is better than US or UK production.

Some older bikes were / are lovely but there were some absolute pigs too.


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:05 pm 
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Ok based on appearance I still don't think they are ugly...some are not so pretty but some have beautiful sculpted lines and flowing fluid shapes. If anything I would say that the look of bikes often comes at the price of functionality these days. Some of them that I think look nice are actually over engineered and unnecessarily heavy as a result. Its a taste thing, a fashion thing, a personal thing. I think they are more brash these days and I'm not keen of some of the huge decals on wheels. But I like both the modern and the retro...there is room for both in my world. The same way that there is room for the "retro" Led Zeppelin in my music collection along side "modern" Muse.


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:29 pm 
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I agree Wookie. Some of the carbon stuff looks lovely, like the Ibis Mojo but some is not so pretty. Just like bike has always been! Also agree that some decals are brash...but then again the Marins with fluro buts were not exactly subtle.

I like them both too, although I'm probably in no man's land somewhat because my main bike is not retro but not modern either being a 2005. I am genuinely looking forward to getting my old 'Dale back up and running. It won't be period correct nor will it be modern but somewhere in between so that it is rideable.


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:35 pm 
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Mindmap3 wrote:
Also agree that some decals are brash...but then again the Marins with fluro buts were not exactly subtle.


Hahaha very true! I guess, like in life as in bikes I like contrast...battleship matt grey with neon!


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
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Arrrggghhh!!! The designer should've been skinned aive for this.

Anyway, the Ugly Modern Bikes is more evident amongst Roadies - compare modern plastic bikes to ones of old...


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 Post subject: Re: Ugly modern bikes
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:38 am 
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Maestro is very progressive, and you can tune the rate with different size linkages. It's fiendishly.clever and full floating, completely isolating suspension and pedal forces from each other. For a big pie eater like me it's.one of the few systems that works truly effectively. It is to modern long travel what NRS was to short travel a decade ago.


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