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Coolwall October 2011 - Entry Level Groupsets
Cool 19%  19%  [ 32 ]
Uncool 81%  81%  [ 140 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:23 am 
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Indeed not, I was kind of following on from someone else's "LX and upwards" comment :)


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mooster wrote:
I think coolness was kind of LX upwards really.....


+1 on coolness of LX :)


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MikeD wrote:
'93 "pocket XTR" LX was supercool :)


OT, but very, very true.

It justifies a mid-range bike in the collection for me, quite easily.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:28 am 
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Most of us started off our mountain biking lives on something 'entry level' with a groupset to match.

Most of us remember a time when it didn't matter if a mech got bent, or a crank arm snapped, because we were too busy having fun and getting muddy, and the bits were cheap and easy enough to replace.

Some of us enjoyed our new hobby a lot, and upgraded said groupset as time went on.

The entry level groupsets and the fact that, for a lot of us, they got us into riding mountain bikes in the first place means that all of us ended up here, 20 years later.

That's cool.


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I seem to have fostered a reputation as an authority on 200GS (and below) so it's probably appropriate for me to contribute.

Unlike some who will be passing judgement on these lowly components, I currently have bikes built up with them. As such I've used them recently, so can perhaps offer an objective opinion based on the functionality of such kit compared with other groupsets throughout the range.

The differences between parts through the ranges are definitely incremental, with less pressed steel, tighter manufacturing tolerances and better pivot materials as you move way from the bottom towards the top.

In use these differences are often less obvious; at least at first.
Compare a well set up 200GS rear mech to a well set up XT rear mech and the shifting performance is actually quite similar. The thing is though that invariably the 200GS will lose it's indexing much more quickly due to the inherent 'sloppyness' in it's pivots.
Interestingly though, I've seen similar poor performance from a 'Paul's' rear mech when it gets muddy.

The rare 200GS thumbshifter with it's lightweight composite body (plastic) is comedically awful, whereas the XT thumbshifter is a thing of engineering excellence and beauty.
The 200GS chainset, with it's pressed steel chainrings, is so durable it hurts. Especially when you drop it on your foot whilst removing it from a bike. The 201GS chainset is less cruel to a bike as it has aluminium crank arms and replaceable rings.
The brakes are terrible too.

Back in 1992 when 200GS first appeared, I was riding XT and DX equipped bikes, but before that I was using some pretty low end stuff. I knew it was low end back then and aspired to better and 'cooler' components as and when I could afford them. But it never stopped me having great fun on whatever I was riding at the time, nor does it now.

So in summary, low end groupsets are definitely not cool at all. Which is probably why I kind of like them.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:56 am 
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drystonepaul wrote:
So in summary, low end groupsets are definitely not cool at all. Which is probably why I kind of like them.


That's a very important point well made. The same thing happened with the Flexstem thread a while back - there is a clear difference between coolness and fondness for a part (or parts) in my opinion.


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i myself think they are cool as i'm now fully in love with this sport and loved my first bike with its shockingly heavy gears! if it wasn't for my first bike i wouldn't be here now still riding and loving every ride;-)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:10 pm 
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Torn. my first bike had Exage trail as a groupset and it wasn't terrible at all. 18 speeds, the gears shifted and you could take the biopace chainrings off. The brakes were a bit rubbish,but so were some after market canti's I can think of , and they cost £100+ to boot.


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I don't think 200/100/70GS is cool on its own.

(BTW can anyone show any examples of 70GS? It must be rarer than XTR - never seen it!!)

HOWEVER someone using 200GS who clearly knows how to ride a bike well beating someone with XTR and thinks they know IS cool. Therefore low end groupsets can be cool, but only by association. Maybe.. :?

Is there anyone who has weighed a 70/100/200GS crankset and can tell us EXACTLY how much they weigh? Would be interesting!


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Rob Atkin wrote:
I don't think 200/100/70GS is cool on its own.

(BTW can anyone show any examples of 70GS? It must be rarer than XTR - never seen it!!)


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HOWEVER someone using 200GS who clearly knows how to ride a bike well beating someone with XTR and thinks they know IS cool.


Been there, got the photo somewhere - I had to borrow a 200GS equipped bike back in '93 for a race in the Forest of Dean. Managed to get pictured passing a chap on a full M900'd (and Disk Drived) Specialized with Future Shocks. Poor soul, he looked mortified.


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