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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:15 pm 
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I've just had an interesting conversation with the nice folks at Orange.

I've ordered a new frame sticker set for the E4, which should make it look all spangley again and while I was on the phone I asked how many of the E4 frames they made.

The answer?........200 over two years. :shock:

Now that is no way enough to consider as mass produced, so I just wondered if it could be called a limited edition model??

What numbers do other relatively main stream manufacturers, which I'd consider Orange to be, call limited runs??


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:22 pm 
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In my mind, to a mainstream manufacturer, anything 500 or below could be classed as Limited Edition.
However, I dont know the numbers others produce. But, when you consider the likes of Raleigh, GT, Spesh etc, their model must be over 1000 per model in the more mainstream ranges.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:02 pm 
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For me, a true "Limited Edition" is when a manufacturer does a limited one-off run of a special item and they're individually numbered (ie. 1-10, or 1-499 or whatever), so not so much about exactly how many were made.

Its a term that has been abused by the big manufacturers over the years though (in all markets - not just bikes).

I don't know much about Orange bikes so I'm not sure whether the E4 was intended as a "Limited Edition", or whether they just happened to not produce many of them for some reason.

Irrespective, I reckon its cool to have a bike that's known to be few in numbers. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:28 pm 
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I don't think the E4 was marketed as a limited edition frame, but the production run of 200 certainly seems to have been a conscious decision.

There were also only ever 200 E6 frames made and more recently 200 Clockworks (Apparently). Oh and of course the Vit T which I thought they only made 21 of, but I'm sure the guy at Orange said 40 today on the phone but I could of miss heard that. :?

It was more an interest in production numbers than the 'limited' tag that got me started. :D


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:52 pm 
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For a real idea of true limited editions you should look no further than Franklin Mint. They alway limit to a max of a 5 figure serial number (ie no more than 99,999 items worldwide), with an option of running another limited run using an alphabetic suffix (ie potential to run 99,999 x 26 = 999,974 items!). Their items are truely wonderful, like the item below:

Princess Diana, queen of our hearts and minds and patron of the 'klunk, klick, every trip' foundation here captured in true (faux) porcelain and satinesse (effect), having a dump on a potty

http://www.franklinmint.com/product1.aspx?SID=2&Product_ID=2284


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:26 pm 
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lol what a pile of cr@p! someone must buy them (scary..) :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:22 am 
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With todays awe inspiring and overbearing press...any manufacturer making something limited will let the press know. A one-off or maybe two or three will never make the press. One bike that comes to mind is a 26" GT Quatrefoil Tandem (Yeah the yellow one) that was listed on eBay this past year. There was also a GT LTS Tandem listed. Neither of these were product that was mass produced or pictured in a catalog.

I'll post this pic of a one-off build. Supposedly built for US 2000 Sydney games triathlete Jennifer Guiterrez. It's a 650C wheeled GT Edge Ti painted in Nat'l Team colors. Was never in the catalog but must be considered a one-off or limited production. I actually know for sure that at least two of these frames were made. She rode one and sold one an somehow I wound up with it for my Mrs.


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