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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:04 am 
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what are the sorts of things that a master builder will do that lesser ones don't? What are these 'unseen' things? What are those extra touches? I'm not experienced enough to know.


Well, this is what draws my eye when I see a Potts frame.

The first item that demands my attention are the classic lines; the frame/fork/stem seem to flow together proportionally and with grace. Technically, all tubes are bowed slightly...did the builder take the time to roll out the tube on a surface plate to find the anomoly and place it in the vertical plane or is the tube just haphazardly mitered and placed. You'd be surprised how many frames, production or custom, have not had this simple quality control. The Potts frames I've seen do have this important but small detail attended to.

The Potts frame is purpose built, meaning that the tube diameters, profiles and placement tell the story of the intended ride characteristics. By looking at the design, one can tell how the builder inteded the frame to feel. The Potts reveals much...a stable, predictable front end, vertically compliant stays that fend off trail chatter, and a lower half that is supple yet will be laterally responsive for those out of the saddle climbs. The bike speaks to comfort for longer trail rides without giving up performance.

The fillets are fabulous...even though they are filed and smoothed, you can see an even transition from tube to fillet to tube. Uniformity in the transition line tells that the fillet was layed consistantly around the joint and that sufficient brass is in place to create the strength required for longevity. The shape of the tubing at the fillets is straight and consistant, proving that the joint was not overheated during the process...sometimes a fine line between amateur and pro.

Functional artistic touches like the custom seat tube cluster and through-stay pinch bolt are intensive pieces. People do not seem to understand just how long it takes to create such a small part of the entire process. The seat cluster is many hours of work; in machining, brazing and filing. This one piece tells alot of his ability and patience for the work.

Alot can be told by how the builder connects the dropouts to the stays. Are they quickly attached by slotting and welding or has the builder sculpted the area, filled with silver, created a custom touch, etc... Take a look around, you'd be amazed how many stays are just crimped and tacked in place on "high end" production bikes, or stays slotted and welded with the ends left open...ughh! It's the attention to detail that sets it apart.

How's the paint. With the investment of time in the construction, what does the builder spec for his minimum acceptable paint work? The Pott's I've seen have high quality materials used with multiple layers of sanded clear. It's not uncommon for some paint to take as long as the frame construction.

So, enough rambling. Just some diatribe in my opinion on what sets a quality frame apart from others.

In the end, I'd love to have a Potts, but alas, will never be able to aford one.

cheers,

rody


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what are the sorts of things that a master builder will do that lesser ones don't? What are these 'unseen' things? What are those extra touches? I'm not experienced enough to know.


Well, this is what draws my eye when I see a Potts frame......So, enough rambling. Just some diatribe in my opinion on what sets a quality frame apart from others.

In the end, I'd love to have a Potts, but alas, will never be able to aford one.

cheers,

rody



Great description.


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[Sooo....its not for sale then? :D


Hell no! But I REALLY want to get ahold of a set of the WTB brake levers with grafted shifters like you have. I'm still kicking myself for not getting with the Potts. Please let me know if you are aware of any that might be available.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:57 am 
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Holiday Potts here...

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/mai ... emId=31490

8)

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Mr. Kawasaki - I see a couple of mine in your pictures. ;)

I am still looking for one like Carsten's - its a beaut!


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"In the end, I'd love to have a Potts, but alas, will never be able to aford one."

Admittedly your chances of finding one in the UK (edit: actually, I just noticed your in Ohio) for a reasonable price might be a long shot but you never know when you'll run across one.

I found mine on the "subway" :lol:

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/mai ... emId=29805


I see the usual cast of "characters" :wink: running around here......


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Actually, might have a better chance in the UK :lol:

Ohio is a vintage wasteland...lot's of old steel, just not bikes. :roll:

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Ohio is a vintage wasteland...lot's of old steel, just not bikes. :roll:


...the Jake is about to become a baseball wasteland when the Rockies roll into town in two weeks :wink:


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Mike,

I should be a bit ashamed but I had to go look to see what you were talking about :oops:

Not much of a baseball fan, don't watch tv, and did not realize the Indians had EVER made into the post season.

Come on out for a game, I'll take you on some super fast fern forest single track!

Oh, and just to keep the post on topic...wish I owned a Potts. :wink:

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Hello again.

Here is a picture of my 1986 Steve Potts. The paint scheme is different than any other that I have seen. More pictures, history, and specifications are provided in my Reader's Bikes post. Check it out.

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15829

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