May I just first say, this is in NO means an internet-furum-argument ! just a debate / disccussion ! i hope everybody see's it that way, because i tell ya, after some of the posts ive read on here im not in anyway inclined to be rude or anything (well i sincery hope not
Graham, I completly agree with everything you say regarding back pain, the causes, laptops, ect. although im sure we suffered back pain well before they were invented. After all, as our ancestors show, we are not suppossed to stand up straight.. !? But there is a rather large difference to "living" that you qoute, which is simply generalising, to the subjuct of riding a bicyle off-road bolt-up-right!
Which leads to my viewpoint, which is (& was) always based around the actual rider, & bicycle use. After watching your videos, it is very clear that riding off-road in such upright positions is not great, at all, unless your are taking it real easy (which, fair enough, you seem to be doing so, all good) However, I would still not recomend (i hate that word) that style/type of position for ANY kind of off-road riding.
Your back pain, if you were a customer of mine, would for me, be a neutral proccess of elimination & investigation, with a clear focus of not getting distracted to much from the actual subject, & main aim in hand.
Put it this way, if your ride positon & setup worked, why are you the only company using it ? (correct me if im wrong). Granted, you were a trailblazer back in the day, but the idea has/did not catch on, mainly (in my opinion) for the reasons i state.
I get the impression you have based your ideas & solutions around trying to replicate what we do in general life (living..) to off-road bicycle riding ! ? Gary Fisher & his pals (or whomever ever you want) were on the right track, only with what they had, which were cruisers with super slack seat angles, allowing them to get their weight back over the rear wheel.
Baron von Drais had the right idea, kind off, from (taking a guess) riding a horse; (remember, this is about OFF-road riding !)
I.e leaning forward (even just a little bit)
& last of all (i will defer the subject, if i may, its relevant), if your proccess were safe, correct, & effective, why do we not ride road bikes in the same/similar positions!? after all the average road cyclist spends MUCH more time in the saddle, therefore position & setup being more critical, due to being far more static in their ride position (i.e not having to move or shift their weight around)
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One last thing, id like to say, i do not, & never will base my opinions around my very own experiances, as we are all incredibly induvidual, with our very own history, & stories.
My proccess are based on a template, which is always adjusted & refined for the rider. But a good template must exist. You challenge that template Graham, thats all! I suspect your template works for you, not that many other people, (mind you, if you all get together & shoot me down in flames, fair enough!!) IF you adjust it slightly, it will appeal to a greater audiance.
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