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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:32 pm 
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Russell wrote:
Look, its my opinion, its not right or wrong.


So that's Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and now you who start their sentences with "look" ;)

I am aware that what you write is your opinion, I am also aware that it is not based on some moral absolute and you may be right or wrong.

I think that is true for all of us, we are just putting our own opinions forward.

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As for the computer being a product of capitalism, some might argue that as it empowers the masses enabling communication and sharing of ideas and ideals across the globe it is actually the opposite.


The classic confusion of correlation with causation !

The truth is that the computer is one of our preeminent examples of a consumer durable, practically an icon of capitalist consumerism, with some of the worlds richest reliant on the consumer demand for computers to reach dizzying heights of wealth (think Bill Gates) it is nonsense to suggest that the computer is not only not a product of capitalism but is the opposite.

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Incidentally, my first bike was second hand, hardly fuelling the economy or increasing the directors paypackets at Raleigh with that purchase.


I hope you did not approach the previous owner to buy the bike on your own - and made your purchase through a middleman like a newspaper publisher (classifieds) ;) - to do otherwise would simply be bad form.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:27 pm 
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Russell wrote:
Mountain biking has been around for a lot longer than 30 years, in this country the Rough Stuff Fellowship was started over 50 years ago IIRC? In Marin (and CK will either confirm or 'poo-poo' this!) people initially started riding off road for fun and to be with their friends, not for any commercial gain.


I didn't say people mountain biked for commercial gain.

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Socialists rode bikes to get away from the workplace and to experience freedom, not because they all liked riding the same bike! Mountainbiking, the feeling of escape and release from the working world is in essence a very socialist pursuit.


People from all political persuasions rode/ride bikes to get away from the work environment.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:54 pm 
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amt27 wrote:
I didn't say people mountain biked for commercial gain..


No, you said that if socialism had its way, there would be no mountain biking and that changing consumer needs bought us mountainbiking. I was illustrating the point that this wasn't necessarily correct.

amt27 wrote:
People from all political persuasions rode/ride bikes to get away from the work environment.


Yes you're quite right, people from all walks of life did/do cycle to get away from the work environment, but in your earlier post you specifically stated that socialists did it because they liked being together on the same make of bikes, clearly not true.

I think that I've said it before, but why not just get your chequebook out and offer the rider the bikes market value?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:41 pm 
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Russell wrote:
Mountain biking has been around for a lot longer than 30 years, in this country the Rough Stuff Fellowship was started over 50 years ago IIRC? In Marin (and CK will either confirm or 'poo-poo' this!) people initially started riding off road for fun and to be with their friends, not for any commercial gain.


Even when I DID do it for "commercial gain," I didn't gain much.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:02 pm 
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mom all ways said it never hurts to ask...


repack, aint that the truth.i know i wont get rich doing this, but i dont mind getting up in the morning :D


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:51 pm 
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Ok, dumb question. I didn't see what type of bike it was. I can see a bontrager or switchblade up front but what about the rest?

I know, dumb question.

Pinguwin


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:28 pm 
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Hey, Russell, from one lefty to another....' Vive la revolution!' (I am not taking the p***)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:37 pm 
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Looking at that pic again, I'd say it looks weathered but not neglected. It looks to be well set up, and it appears to have SPDs fitted. I think it's enthusiast owned....still worth asking, but I'd guess the owner knows what he's got and either won't part or will make you dig deep!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:43 pm 
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or knows what SHE'S got :oops:


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