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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:28 am 
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Muddyfox-Men ... 2077145808


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:29 am 
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I think several brands went that way, Diamondback, Saracen? They made some nice stuff in the 80s and 90s then got into difficulty and the names were bought to stick on BSOs to be sold in supermarkets.

Looks like they're making proper bikes again now though:

https://www.saracen.co.uk/
https://www.diamondback.com/


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:09 pm 
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The last Muddy Fox i owned was a Rock n Roll from 94 i think , Met green
Had elastomars on rear end which pivoted on bb ,
Terrible bike i swapped the elastomars for Morris Minor value springs.
lasted 6 months before i destroyed it...
Got some photos of it brand new and blinged up with magic tyres and 3dv parts. replaced it with a kirk :oops:
Will scan them one day


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:20 pm 
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Iron horse have gone that way now too, muddy fox brand is owned by sports direct, Saracen still do some high end nice stuff tho.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:19 pm 
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I like it, given me a semi.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:31 pm 
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certainly made me laugh. To us cycling is a hobby but to many it pays the bills or makes them rich. The owner of MF sold up So did Klein and the brand is dead.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:04 pm 
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Slightly different things though; Klein were sold to Trek, who were at least a bike company.

Don't forget that Cannondale, GT/Schwinn, Raleigh, Specialized are also all 'gone' to a greater or lesser extent.

Muddy fox - like a lot of other companies(!) were just a brand name bought by Sports Direct, similar to Iron Horse and GT with Dorel, and Saracen with Madison; the original company pretty much completely disappeared.

Raleigh, Specialized, Cannondale and others at least retained some degree of a design and R&D function to operate as a division within a larger company; with Saracen being resurrected similarly in recent years. Schwinn's high-end stuff continues under the Waterford name.

Diamondback were a part of Raleigh, bought up with Raleigh in the Pon takeover of Derby Cycles where both companies were hived off to Accell.

Much like cars; there are only about 5 volume bike companies in the world, a lot of badge-engineered variants of the same Kinesis, Merida or Giant frames; and a whole load of small specialists - many of whom also sell the same badge-job Kinesis, Merida and Giant frames, while marketing themselves as 'independents'.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:49 pm 
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Specialized aren't technically part of a larger corporation; yes, they are 49%-owned by Merida, but founder Mike Sinyard remains CEO and majority shareholder.

There's also plenty of smaller bike companies that aren't using catalogue frames but design their own completely in-house, then have them manufactured in the Far East (just as many companies did BITD).


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:57 am 
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[quote="Osella"]Slightly different things though; Klein were sold to Trek, who were at least a bike company.



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agree. Just that both the owners of MF & Klein got offered a price and for their company and took it. I should think Klein regrets it? Didn't Gary Fisher do the same? Then got it back later?
I suppose we all have a price? If a very rich person offered me £££££ for my mtb then i'd take it. But that's not going to happen in the real world.


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Osella wrote:
Muddy fox - like a lot of other companies(!) were just a brand name bought by Sports Direct, similar to Iron Horse and GT with Dorel, and Saracen with Madison; the original company pretty much completely disappeared.



I didn't realise that SD had bought Universal. It's a shame that they don't try and revive the brand to it's previous level and keep the lesser universal brands to BSO territory. If Calibre can produce the bikes they do for the prices they manage there has to be space for some decent 'Foxes'.
Mike Ashley is trying to differentiate House of Fraser from regular SD so maybe there is a slot for them there.

Carl.


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