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Feature Bike May 2009 – Pete McC’s Doug Bradbury Manitou Full Suspension

May 30th, 2009
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Bradbury Manitou
Pete McC’s Doug Bradbury Manitou Full Suspension

In the now standard start to a Retrobike.co.uk story I want you to wind the clock back 17 years – it’s 1992, Carter USM are riding high in the charts and playing on my ‘auto-reverse’ walkman, my Calvin Kleins are visible for all to see above the waistband of my baggy jeans and the MBUK Summer Special has just landed in WHSmiths.
This years Summer Special really lived up to it’s name as nestled amongst the pages of vital holiday reading was an article so special that it would get read with an amazed open mouth more often than a lottery winner rereads his winning ticket – the Superbike Test! Four bikes – all works of art, all utterly desirable and all far too expensive for a 17 year old on his way to University.
The Superbike test featured some of the years rarest and most individual bikes to hit our shores; bikes like the he Mountain Goat, the Alpinestar Almega, the Funk E-stay. But for me, one bike stood out in the review as the ultimate Superbike -the Manitou FS. With it’s eye watering £2,950 price tag for a frame-kit (in the days when £1500 would buy you a fully built Pace RC100), it was out of the reach of all but the most hardcore or most over-paid cyclist out there. It was the true embodiment of the term Superbike, it shone with new and exciting technology and was laden with unique and bespoke parts. It featured a 145mm rear axle that allowed a dish-less rear wheel and the 90mm width BB shell for the optimum chainline, it had amazing, cutting edge suspension forks with a full inch of elastomer travel and the additional set of forks where the seatstays should be, offering another bump-soaking inch of travel at the back. Unsurprisingly this bike scored a full 5 stars across the board and won the praise of all who rode it, all this praise was testament to the fact that it was designed by mountain bike design pioneer and Hall of Fame member, Doug Bradbury. This was the bike I told myself I would buy when I made my fortune.

Now, with the scene set, let’s fast forward to this time last year – I no longer had that magazine, my dog ear-ed and ragged copy was lost in one of the many moves since Uni, but I still lusted after each and everyone of the bikes in that Superbike review, I was still promising myself that I will own a Bradbury Manitou when I am rich and famous. But little did I know that Karma has a special surprise in store for me, one that it had been storing up for me for those 16 years since I first opened that magazine.

Everyone who is a regular here will know that one key element on this site is the ‘Ebay and Marketplace watch’. This is a section of the site where people can post links to bike that they have seen on ebay that they think may interest other people, a practice often referred to as ‘outing’. Much has been said for and against outing, such as it brings items to the attention of a wider audience, but at the same time will raise the price of an item as more people bid, but that the more people that ‘click through’ from the Retrobike posting the more money is raised towards the upkeep of this site. I, for one, have nothing but praise for it as this is the route Karma chose to treat me to my surprise….
Kase1983 posted up a link in ‘Ebay and Marketplace Watch’ to an auction for a ‘very-rare-doug-bradbury-mountain-bike-race-frame’. It was a poorly listed auction with little in the way of text and even less in the way of photos, just a couple of badly lit cellphone photos of a dirty frame looking very sorry for it’s self.

Bradbury Manitou
The original cellphone picture

A few of us had a little bit of discussion as to what it was – ‘a Marin, maybe’? But having worked in a bike shop that sold Marin I knew it wasn’t (this one had gussets on the top and down tube), nor was it a Balance or even an Answer Manitou (rear forks were too old). So out of interest I shot a couple of questions off to the seller and got some promising answers, but then do you believe everything you get told by ebay sellers? He sent me some additional photos but, again, I really couldn’t see much from them. Even at this point the thought that this could be a Bradbury Manitou hadn’t crossed my mind, no body would be selling such a bike in such a poor way, surely? I just assumed that it was another no name frame being sold by someone keyword spamming. None the less I was intrigued but I convinced myself not to get my hopes up as with the word ‘Bradbury’ in the listing and its place in ‘Ebay and Marketplace Watch’ was surely enough to ensure the price would go through my ceiling bid. And when my lowly bid of £150 did actually secure I was then further convinced that I had just bought a cheap copy – surely no one would have let a genuine Bradbury Manitou go that cheap. But hey, I thought, for £150 what’s the worst that could happen?

When it arrived and it was filthy, greasy and dirty, but for me, this was where the real fun started. As soon as I had it in my hands I noticed some really interesting features – first was the seatpost, a genuine Ringle head on an oversized shaft. Next was the 1 1/4″ headtube and 1 1/2″ seat tube, third was the finish of the rear forks (exactly the same as a set of early Manitou forks I had owned many years previously and foolishly sold on).

Bradbury Manitou

So I just had to know who made it! Best thing was to post up a thread on here and get the combined wisdom of Retrobike. ‘What size is the BB shell’ came the first question from Andrewl, our Australian expert – 90mm, ‘and the rear drop out?’ he retorted – 145mm. Those two unique numbers meant only one thing, this was a Bradbury Manitou FS, this was a Superbike, this was an absolute bargain and it was mine!
All of a sudden I was 17 again, and using the Magazine Scan Section on this site out came the 1992 MBUK Summer Special again – there it was in black and white, every quirk and feature of my frame was replicated in the one in the Summer Special. And there was my mission, to replicate the Summer Special bike as best I could and to fulfill that promise I made to myself.

But this was going to be far tougher than the usual build, this wasn’t a build that ‘just’ needed a full XT groupset, instead I was going to have to find all the bizarre, bespoke parts that Doug Bradbury had originally specced for this frame and without just one of these the bike would not work.

First the rear hub. I looked into many options such as Phil Wood or Shimano tandem hubs to fill the 145mm rear dropouts, but these were either incredibly expensive or just ‘not quite right’. Fortunately Karma was still smiling on me, as into my inbox popped an email from the original seller who had found the original rear wheel in his shed and he gladly passed it on to me for a few pennies.
As with everything on this bike this hub was quite special. The hub had started out life as a Shimano M900 before Mr Bradbury cut it in half and added in an extra CNC’ed section. This was an incredible stroke of luck as these hubs are as rare as the frames, Bradbury didn’t make these as an aftermarket product, they were solely sold with the frame as they were a part of his holistic view of bike building. The 145mm hub allowed Doug Bradbury to design the bike with an asymmetric rear end and a zero dished wheel – this creates a stronger, more evenly tensioned rear wheel with a single length of spoke on both sides. It also complimented the Bottom Bracket in creating better gear alignment.

Bradbury Manitou
Manitou rear detail

Next up I had to find that BB long enough to cope with a 90mm BB shell and a set of Cooks Cranks – one with at least a 140mm axle! Elite504 came to my rescue here with an axle designed to be used with super old Campag cranks on sealed bearing Bikes. So add this axle to a NOS cooks BB bearing and cupset that I just happened to have lying around and that was problem 2 sorted. The 90mm shell was a radical choice back in the 90s but is now a concept that has been adopted by more and more DH bikes as it offers more room for the rear suspension linkage as well as a stronger platform for your cranks but as with many great ideas Shimano and the like just wait until patents expire before they use technology rather than pay someone else royalties so that riders can benefit (Outboard bearings, hollow axles, 2 piece crank sets? Just think Magic Motorcycles, Sweetwings or Bullseye. Shadow rear mech – EGS thought of that first!)

Bradbury Manitou
Manitou BB detail

A set of over-long skewers was also provided by Elite504 in the form of a beautiful set of Ringle Cam Twists with custom cut rods. He also sorted me with a 100mm front Ringle hub to compliment the Trail stem, the H20 Cage and the Mojo brake hanger.
Next up was another real toughie. A set of original Bradbury Manitou forks had to be found. These forks were all made by Doug in his workshop by hand long before the Answer buy-out and again, they were rare. Madcowkev stepped up and kindly offered me his set from his Yeti knowing that my need was the greater. With a set of Gil_M’s decals, Slim’s elastomers and Jonnyretro’s seals the forks at both ends were like new and bouncing their full one inch. Later these ‘ordinary’ 100mm spaced forks were replaced with a set of even rarer 115mm spaced forks from Scant paired with a 115mm ringle hub. These were the originally specced forks only found on his own bikes rather than the 100mm aftermarket version. These allowed a stronger front wheel to be built to match the rear for little weight gain.

Bradbury Manitou
Manitou 115mm fork

I was now in the home strait and the build was really coming together piece by piece. Add in a set of FRO brakes and a Kingsberry headset from Mountainbike-kult.de and some Scott-Mathauser pads from Sidekick and finish off with a full decal kit from Gil_M and this bike was turning into a true Retrobike effort from start to finish!

Bradbury Manitou
Manitou Fork detail

One last hurdle – I had to insert the headset! A tough job at the best of times but now add in the knowledge that Manitous are renowned for splitting quicker than a premiership footballer leaves his pregnant girlfriend. Would Karma leave me so near the end of this build and deny me the chance to fulfill this dream? Fortunately not – look Ma, no cracks:

Bradbury Manitou
Look Ma, No Cracks!

Finally after one last polish and the addition of a couple of RB stickers and a 1st generation Crud Guard to cover a couple of the battle scars I was done. I was finally the proud owner of my Superbike – a Bradbury Manitou Full Suspension. Promised fulfilled, both the 17 and the 34 year old me smiled!


    Specification

Frame: Doug Bradbury Manitou FS

Fork: Bradbury Manitou 115mm axle suspension

Headset: Kingsberry 1 1/4″
Stem: Ringle Trail stem
Handlebar: Nitto
Grips: Oury
Barends: none

Brakes: FRO
Brake Pads: Scott Mathauser Superpads
Brake Cables: Tioga
Cantilever cable hangers: Ringle Mojo
Brake Levers: Dia-compe Advantage 282

Shifters: XT Thumbshifters
Front Derailleur: XT with Bradbury 1 1/2″ mount
Rear Derailleur: XT with SRP breakaway bolt
Derailleur Cables: Shimano
Cassette: HG70
Chain: Shimano
Cranks: Cooks RSR
Crank Bolts: SRP
Chainrings: Cooks
Chainring bolts: SRP
Bottom Bracket: Cooks
Pedals: Speedplay Magnums (Frogs in photos)

Hub Skewers: Ringle
Rims: Campag Mirrox
Hubs: Ringle 115mm front, Bradbury/M900 145mm rear
Nipples:DT
Spokes: DT
Tyres: Onza Racing Porcs
Tubes: Chin Shen

Saddle: Selle Turbo SLR
Seatpost: Ringle
Seatpost Binder: Ringle

23 Comments

  1. Orange71 wrote,

    What a great story!

    Comment on 30 May 2009 @ 13:26

  2. lid wrote,

    Lapped up every word, congrats on that one. But Kase1983……Elite504, Madcowkev, Gil-M, Slim, Jonnyretro, Scant…..Mountainbike-kult.co and Sidekick? Sounds like some sort of underground secret society or somthing?

    Comment on 30 May 2009 @ 17:11

  3. MynameisCasper wrote,

    ^^^+1

    Superstory to read!

    Comment on 30 May 2009 @ 21:21

  4. dbmtb wrote,

    Didn’t vote for this one – would have been more likely to do so if I’d read the story first…

    Great stuff.

    Comment on 31 May 2009 @ 07:55

  5. Stevet1 wrote,

    Superb article and build, another of those ‘How the hell did that not win BOTM’ bikes. Must be a pleasure to own.

    Comment on 1 June 2009 @ 09:22

  6. Toby wrote,

    I vividly remember seeing that mountainbike at the bike show at Alexander palace in the early 90′s. It was the first full suspension bike I had seen and just amazed me. It is for me the ultimate superbike.

    Congrats on the build, just seeing one again brings back so many memories.

    Comment on 1 June 2009 @ 12:43

  7. cudfathr wrote,

    The MBUK 1992 Summer Special was the mag that started it all for me too. It came with a pair of mint sauce socks!

    I remember the article and imagining fast and how cool I would be riding the Manitou. Unfortunately,to this day I have still never seen one of these beauties in the flesh. Thanks for building this up and for taking some excellent pictures to go with a cracking write up.

    Comment on 2 June 2009 @ 07:49

  8. Rich wrote,

    Awesome story, great to hear you found your unicorn buddy, beautiful build :)

    Rich

    Comment on 4 June 2009 @ 01:15

  9. Kristmundur wrote,

    congrats on a beautiful build, great piece of history you’ve got there. You wouldn’t happen to know where I can find spare elastomers, bushings and seals for my ’95 M4 fork?

    Comment on 5 June 2009 @ 22:40

  10. Kristmundur wrote,

    btw, if this where a cheap taiwanese copy, it would probably have neater welds!

    Comment on 5 June 2009 @ 22:45

  11. Davo Bushlove wrote,

    Good for you bro. That is a mint specimen. Knowing how much effort you put into it makes beholding it even more joyous. I love it. I also remember that Mbuk issue with it in. Those were the days. Back then you could get a centrespread doing a wheelie. Now it has to be a back flip off a cliff.

    Comment on 13 June 2009 @ 10:05

  12. Dan O wrote,

    I remember reading about this bike back in “the day”. For the era a cool design.

    You did a killer restoration on this – awesome job.

    Great story.

    Comment on 18 June 2009 @ 07:38

  13. doobydoo wrote,

    love this bike,allways wanted to own one back when they came out but could never aford it, well done mate ,superb

    Comment on 5 July 2009 @ 08:28

  14. topshifter wrote,

    what a legendary bike.you must be a very patient person to wait for all those specific parts.man am i jealous!shes a beaut

    Comment on 15 September 2009 @ 19:58

  15. Darlan wrote,

    This really is a beautiful piece of work Pete!

    I actually rode one of the Mark II Answer Manitou FS bikes back in the early 1990es:

    http://www.darlan.dk/images/manitou_fs_sdb_72dpi.jpg

    After reading your story I really would love to make it ‘race ready’ again :) Apart from the original Manitou II front and rear suspensions (elastomers only) and seatpost it still holds the original Shimano XTR derallieurs (front and rear) and ditto XTR cantilever brakes.

    Thank you for a trip down memory lane!!

    Darlan, Denmark

    Comment on 27 October 2009 @ 15:51

  16. Paul - Formentera wrote,

    Very interesting story, I am very lucky as I have 2 that are well kept in the garage, the ones that I have are the latter model, one has a crack in the front but was worht every Peseta that I paid for it back in 1997 or 1998, it wos3 ed hand but Is the best bike that I have ever tried, After 2 years on the rocks and traks of Formentera (The island is only 19 km long and the highest point is 192 meter) But with unending tracks, and lots of stones it end did up with a crack on the front, I asked the original owner if he still had the garenty and the answer was no, but he had a second bike, that he gave me….
    My wife some times uses the original and I use the over one that I keep as my treasere, all the moments that I have spent on the bike, reminde me of wean I was a bit younger and with out any Kids, or wife. With a bit of luck, Carlos my first son will sone be out on a bike and I will be able to use it again, out there on the rocks and tracks with a blue sea as a back groud, to our endless trips around Formentera.

    Comment on 10 November 2009 @ 17:53

  17. Andre Theriault wrote,

    I have a Doug Bradbury Manitou FS DH bike which I believe was built in 1994 that I will want to list on eBay. Before doing so I would like an opinion on what I should start the listing at and what could I expect to get for it. It is in excellent conditon and if allowed, I will submit some pics on this forum.I understand that this bike is one of a kind and could be considered a collector’s item and that during the days that Doug Bradbury custom made these bikes, the frames alone sold for as much as $3,500.00.
    Currently there is a MTB Tomac 98 Special by Doug Bradbury USA listed on eBay out of Germany with a starting price of $2,295.00. Don’t beleive that this is a comparable bike to mine but it is nonetheless a Doug Bradbury bike.

    Any advice you could give me as to pricing this bike for an eBay listing and what you think I could get for the bike would be most appreciated.

    Comment on 11 April 2010 @ 02:21

  18. Fernandes Guido wrote,

    Hello, Guido here! I’m from Belgium and I have 2 complete as new Manitou mountainbikes! 1 full suspension, complete xtr and answer easton builded from 1997 and 1 red hardtail comp from 1998, xtr and answer easton parts and chris king , magura raceline D,shaunpalmer stroker FSTI fork builded! 2 unique original Answer bikes!I had them shipped to Belgium in 1998!Really fantastic bikes and I still love to ride them occassionally! I want to keep them as long as possible in nearly new condition and will never sell them!I think a 1994 Manitou fs is really a collectors’ item! Think twice before you sell it!
    Fernandes Guido
    BELGIUM

    Comment on 29 June 2010 @ 16:54

  19. boz wrote,

    man!! what a bike,few will realise how special this bike is,doug counts 4 a lot in 2 days bikin,i remember way back wen this bike was launched n local shop owner,(shockwave,nottm)who imported these at the time,n he turned up with a bike like this,i said one day 2 myself too!!lol,

    Comment on 20 August 2010 @ 10:02

  20. Andre Theriault wrote,

    Doug Bradbury’s Answer Manitou FS DH 1994 Mountain Fike is now on sale on eBay. If interested please check this link for details.

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170641874238&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156

    Comment on 17 May 2011 @ 16:26

  21. Leci wrote,

    A pleasure to read! (I remember myself staring at the mags with this bike in 1992..)

    The amazing price of GBP 2950 for the kit are GBP 5740 in 2010 money, comparing average earnings.. I think few frames match that today (source: http://www.measuringworth.com)

    bye!

    Comment on 10 January 2012 @ 01:43

  22. AB wrote,

    I have a Bradbury FS Manitou built by Doug in 1992 before Answer bought the company. Absolutely, perfect condition. If interested…

    Comment on 24 February 2012 @ 00:45

  23. Sean wrote,

    so what all can you tell me about my 1992 manitou answer bike? theres no numbers on her just a birth date Feb ??, 1992 cant remember the date. she still rides like a dream, my main sorce of getting around. would love to know more about why the design never took off.

    Comment on 12 May 2012 @ 12:29

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